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#1 Proposed New Feats

Sorrowdusk 19 Jul 2010 02:21

-The Dark Speech[Vile] (FCI p. 85)

-Dark Whispers [Vile](Elder Evils p. 12)
Prereq-Dark Speech
''Your whispersof incredible wickedness form grotesque visions in the minds of those who hear you.''

Benefit: Creatures in 30ft that are living make a DC 1/2 character lvl + Cha modifier + 10 Will save. On failure those with LESS HD than you are staggered for 1d10 rounds, those with ''as many'' OR ''more'' HD are Confused for 1 round. This is a mind affecting supernatural ability. Whenever you use Dark Speech in this manner you take 1 cha dmg.

Special: You gain a +2 bonus to save against dark speech that stacks with the bonus from the Dark Speech feat. If you cannot take ability damage, you cannot take this feat.

-Mask of Gentility (Exemplars of Evil p. 24)
Prereq: Cha 15, Bluff 9, ranks, Disguise 9 Ranks

''You cunningly mask your true motives and nature behind a facade of gentility and camraderie.''

Benefit: If you subjected to Divination spells that would reveal your alignment, you register as neutral. Furthermore if someone tries to Sense Motive to get a hunch about your nature, they need to meet a DC 30 check to obtain an accurate impression.

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"Ya can hoot, ya can holla-make any noise ya like! But if ya cant chant, oh if ya cant chant, well…ya no cult o' mine!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7movKfyTBII
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Re: #1 Proposed New Feats

RoseRhine 25 Jul 2010 00:17

Approved for Play

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"One should make his decisions within the space of seven breaths…With an intense, fresh and undelaying spirit, one will make his judgments within the space of seven breaths. It is a matter of being determined and having the spirit to break right through to the other side." — _Hagakure

Re: #1 Proposed New Feats

Sorrowdusk 25 Jul 2010 01:17

Some people have been admonished for editing or adding certain feat pages as of recent without asking.

Do you want me to go add them myself?
Should I notify someone else? Or have you already done that?

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"Ya can hoot, ya can holla-make any noise ya like! But if ya cant chant, oh if ya cant chant, well…ya no cult o' mine!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7movKfyTBII
~Ishkokum Mes Mosof She'res~
"Congratulations, you can link to TV Tropes. This does not mean you have special insight into the storytelling process, much less the author's mind. Stories don't need to fit into neat boxes, you know.

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Re: #1 Proposed New Feats

Sorrowdusk 01 Aug 2010 05:45

Just putting the Full Text for Dark Speech Here

Dark Speech [Vile]

You learn a smattering of the language of truly dark power.

Prerequisite: INT 15, Will save bonus +5, Cha 15

Benefit: You can use the Dark Speech to bring loathing and fear to others, to help cast evil spells and create evil magic items, and to weaken physical objects. The four basic uses are detailed below.

Dread: Whenever you use Dark Speech in this manner, you take ld4 points of Charisma damage, and every other creature in a 30-foot radius must attempt a Will save (DC 10 +1/2 your character level + your Cha modifier). The result of a failed save by a listener depends on the listener's character level and alignment, as detailed on the table below. Level (Alignment) Result:

1st-4th (non-evil) Listener is shaken for 1d10 rounds and must flee from you until you are out of sight.
5th-10th (non-evil) Listener is shaken for 1d10 rounds.
11th+ (non-evil) Listener is filled with loathing for you but is not otherwise influenced.

1st-4th (evil) Listener cowers in fear for 1d10 rounds.
5th-10th (evil) Listener is charmed by you (as charm monster) for 1d10 rounds.
11th+ (evil) Listener is impressed, and you gain a +2 competence bonus on attempts to change his attitude in the future.

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Power Whenever you use Dark Speech in this manner, you take 1d4 points of Charisma damage. By incorporating the Dark Speech into the verbal component of a spell, you increase its effective caster level by 1. By using it during the creation of an evil magic item, you increase its caster level by 1 without increasing the cost.

Corruption: As a full-round action, you can whisper vile words at an inanimate object and reduce its hardness by half. This use does not drain you, but you cannot use the ability more than once on a single object.

Dark Unity: You can use Dark Speech to establish a hive mind in any swarm of vermin or animals with an Intelligence score of 2 or lower. Thereafter, you can give the swarm one command as per the suggestion spell (caster level equals your Hit Dice). Whenever you infuse a swarm in this manner, you take ld4 points of Constitution damage.

Special: You gain a +4 circumstance bonus on saving throws made when someone uses the Dark Speech against you.

Normal: Attempting to utter a word of Dark Speech always ends in immediate death for a speaker who is not trained in its dark power. It is impossible to make someone use the Dark Speech if he is unwilling because the language's pronunciation is so exacting.

Rulebook: Hordes of the Abyss (p. 85)

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"Ya can hoot, ya can holla-make any noise ya like! But if ya cant chant, oh if ya cant chant, well…ya no cult o' mine!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7movKfyTBII
~Ishkokum Mes Mosof She'res~
"Congratulations, you can link to TV Tropes. This does not mean you have special insight into the storytelling process, much less the author's mind. Stories don't need to fit into neat boxes, you know.

Last edited on 01 Aug 2010 05:49 by Sorrowdusk Show more

#2 Blacklist Appeal

Sorrowdusk 19 Jul 2010 02:26

I also have a proposal that Demonic Sneak Attack be removed from the blacklist making it availiable to anyone who wants to take it. It lets you reroll a number of sneak dice based on the number of Abyssal Heritor feats you have. The argument Pale Cocoon originally made to me is that it would result in too much rerolling or somehow "clutter". The dicebot (or at least the newer vault-I'm not sure about overseer) did later display the values of each individual die rolled as well as the total, whearas at the time it was black listed It only gave totals meaning the sneak die would have had to be rolled one at a time. Despite that Error and Hikage who were the Mechanic Ops at the time Blacklisted/banned it anyway, and continued to do so when I made this appeal last. It should not be difficult to calculate in any case and I dont see a truly valid reason for it to be blaklisted, and so I ask if the feat might be reviewed by the New Mechanic Ops.

Demonic Sneak Attack [Abyssal Heritor]
You know exactly how to twist the blade to get the most out of your sneak attacks.

Prerequisite: Sneak attack class feature.
Benefit: you can re-roll a number of sneak attack dice equal to the number of Abyssal Heritor Feats that you possess. You must take the result of the re-rolled dice, even if they are lower. You cannot use this feat to re-roll the sneak attack dice that you have already re-rolled by using this feat.
Special: You take a -2 penalty to bluff skill checks, as you find it difficult to hide your more malicious intentions.

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"Ya can hoot, ya can holla-make any noise ya like! But if ya cant chant, oh if ya cant chant, well…ya no cult o' mine!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7movKfyTBII
~Ishkokum Mes Mosof She'res~
"Congratulations, you can link to TV Tropes. This does not mean you have special insight into the storytelling process, much less the author's mind. Stories don't need to fit into neat boxes, you know.

Re: #2 Blacklist Appeal

RoseRhine 25 Jul 2010 00:14

Declined

On the basis of bogging down game play.

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"One should make his decisions within the space of seven breaths…With an intense, fresh and undelaying spirit, one will make his judgments within the space of seven breaths. It is a matter of being determined and having the spirit to break right through to the other side." — _Hagakure

Sorrowdusk 25 Jul 2010 01:08

It would be more expedient if you actually had the individual dice in front of you to reroll and sort into a seperate pile; It would leave no ambiguity as to which die had been rerolled and how many. That is probably unattenable through the internet, barring some improbable script or the use of some other software with a visual interface or play table able to viewed by everyone. (The latter of which does exist, but unless there are other clear benefits beyond ease of use for a single feat and a general opinion in favor of it, we probably shouldnt go down that route.)

I agree.

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"Ya can hoot, ya can holla-make any noise ya like! But if ya cant chant, oh if ya cant chant, well…ya no cult o' mine!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7movKfyTBII
~Ishkokum Mes Mosof She'res~
"Congratulations, you can link to TV Tropes. This does not mean you have special insight into the storytelling process, much less the author's mind. Stories don't need to fit into neat boxes, you know.

Last edited on 25 Jul 2010 01:11 by Sorrowdusk Show more

Skill Knowledge(Unearthed Arcana - Page 81 footnote)

Iratus Angelus 22 Jul 2010 21:29

Skill Knowledge(General)
You gain access to new knowledge and abilities.

Benefit: Choose any two skills from one of your current classes' skill lists. You now know these skills as class skills.
Special: Instead of choosing two class skills, you may choose one crossclass skill(whether you already know it or not) and learn it, treating it as a class skill from that point forward.

Re: Skill Knowledge(Unearthed Arcana - Page 81 footnote)

RoseRhine 25 Jul 2010 00:40

Approved with the following rewording to fit Therafim

Skill Knowledge [General]
Benefit: You may choose one cross class skill and learn it, treating it as a class skill from that point forward.

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"One should make his decisions within the space of seven breaths…With an intense, fresh and undelaying spirit, one will make his judgments within the space of seven breaths. It is a matter of being determined and having the spirit to break right through to the other side." — _Hagakure

Natural spell

Zero Divide 25 Jul 2010 02:19

Was asked to post this so…

Natural Spell [General] (source PHB/SRD)
Prerequisites
Wis 13, wild shape ability.

Benefit
You can complete the verbal and somatic components of spells while in a wild shape. You substitute various noises and gestures for the normal verbal and somatic components of a spell.

You can also use any material components or focuses you possess, even if such items are melded within your current form. This feat does not permit the use of magic items while you are in a form that could not ordinarily use them, and you do not gain the ability to speak while in a wild shape.

Re: Natural spell

RoseRhine 25 Jul 2010 02:24

Approved for Play

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"One should make his decisions within the space of seven breaths…With an intense, fresh and undelaying spirit, one will make his judgments within the space of seven breaths. It is a matter of being determined and having the spirit to break right through to the other side." — _Hagakure

Zero Divide 03 Aug 2010 04:39

Suggesting an update to 3.0 Unearthed arcanas Skill knowlege (general) to Forgotten realms version.

Cosmopolitan [general]
Benefit: Choose a nonexclusive skill you do not have as a class skill. You gain a +2 bonus on all checks with that skill, and that skill is always considered a class skill for you.

Special: You may take this feat multiple times. Its effects do not stack. Each time you take the feat, it applies to a new skill.

it wont let someone pick up something exclusive like psionic skills, but I dont think thats a problematic limit.
I'd suggest "Education" as well, but the way therafim works knowlege skills it would be silly.

ZenithSolar 03 Aug 2010 13:54

If my memory is accurate.. that feat needed to be taken at 1st level.

Zero Divide 04 Aug 2010 04:42

Theres not a level restriction on Cosmopolitan, but there is on "education" (1st level only).

Disguise Spell

Zero Divide 16 Aug 2010 07:27

I was wondering if Disguise spell could be looked at.
Source - Complete adventurer p108

Disguise Spell
You can cast spells without observers noticing
Prerequisite: Preform (any) 9 ranks, bardic music.
Benefit: You can cast spells unobtrusively, mingling verbal and somatic components into your performances. To disguise a spell, make a Preform check as part of you action used to cast the spell. Onlookers must match or exceed your check result with a Spot check to detect that you're casting a spell (Your performance is obvious to everyone in the vicinity, but the fact that you are casting a spell isn't). Unless the spell visibly emanates from you, or observers have some other means of determining its source, they don't know where the effect came from.

A disguised spell can't be identified with a Spellcraft check, even by someone who realizes you're casting a spell. The act of casting still provokes attacks of opportunity as normal.

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+FEAT UPDATES +More!

Sorrowdusk 25 Aug 2010 08:30

A lot of feats have not yet been moved to the new site-

General Feats: I just finished this from O->Z
Metamagic Feats: None of these have been moved yet.
Metapsionic Feats: None of these have been moved yet.
Psionic Feats: None of these have been moved yet.

Its a lot of stuff, but I'll see about moving more things later

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True Believer -whats the word on this? True Believer is listed in CDiv as a +3 insight bonus in the table, and a +2 insight bonus in the feat text. The official Errata doesnt say anything. Some people house rule it as +2 others as +3. Some people even use both values, one for announcing its use after and the other for announcing before making a roll. I will note that its power is diminished if we arent using Relics in this game, +3 might be appropriate.

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On a related side note (if you look above) 2 Vile Feats have been approved (Darkspeech/DarkWhispers); These have not been added to any pages, they should have their own Vile Feats section. (I'll see about adding the page later)

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Related to the above, I have a [Divine] and [Vile] feat proposal.

Divine Defiance [Divine] (Fiendish Codex II p. 83)
You can channel divine energy to counter spells without readying an action.
Prereq: Divine Caster lvl 3rd; ability to turn or rebuke undead
Benefit: You can spend one of your turn or rebuke attempts to counter a spell or spell-like effect as an Immediate Action. You must have the relevant spell prepared as normal (or dispel magic), and make a spellcraft check to identify the targets spell.
Normal: You must ready an action to counterspell

(Or since our system is spontaneous, basically you must have Dispel Magic or the spell being counterspelled on your list and the slot for Dispel Magic/TheSpell unused-and then counterspell as normal, but as an immediate action.)

Evil's Blessing [Vile] (Elder Evils p. 13 )
Entities of Evil and Villainy have a stake in your survival.

Prerequisite: Cha 13
Benefit: As a standard action, you gain a profane bonus on saving throws equal to your charisma modifier. This bonus lasts for 5 rounds. In a round you deal at least 1 point of damage to a creature of the good subtype or that radiates an aura of good, this bonus is doubled.

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"Ya can hoot, ya can holla-make any noise ya like! But if ya cant chant, oh if ya cant chant, well…ya no cult o' mine!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7movKfyTBII
~Ishkokum Mes Mosof She'res~
"Congratulations, you can link to TV Tropes. This does not mean you have special insight into the storytelling process, much less the author's mind. Stories don't need to fit into neat boxes, you know.

Last edited on 25 Aug 2010 08:32 by Sorrowdusk Show more

Re: +FEAT UPDATES +More!

Sorrowdusk 26 Aug 2010 14:22

Another Feat issue (as with True Believer mentioned above)-

http://therafimrpg.wikidot.com/corrupt-spell

The BoVD and CDiv wording are different, one (BoVD) you must choose 1 spell each time, where CDiv does not. I will also note that there is a +1lvl increase to the spell slot that seems to be missing.

http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-legacy-discussion/281273-corrupt-spell-metamagic-feat.html

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"Ya can hoot, ya can holla-make any noise ya like! But if ya cant chant, oh if ya cant chant, well…ya no cult o' mine!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7movKfyTBII
~Ishkokum Mes Mosof She'res~
"Congratulations, you can link to TV Tropes. This does not mean you have special insight into the storytelling process, much less the author's mind. Stories don't need to fit into neat boxes, you know.

Re: +FEAT UPDATES +More!

Dallys 26 Aug 2010 17:03

BoVD is 3.0, Complete Divine is 3.5. The newer printing always takes precedence.

You need not choose a single spell when taking the feat, it's a normal metamagic feat with a +1 level increase for the spell slot.

Sorrowdusk 27 Aug 2010 13:05

Worldly Focus (Faiths of Eberron 148).

Your belief in the omnipresence of the gods is so strong, you can channel your spells through the environment rather than a holy symbol.

This feat allows you to cast divine spells without a divine focus.

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"Ya can hoot, ya can holla-make any noise ya like! But if ya cant chant, oh if ya cant chant, well…ya no cult o' mine!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7movKfyTBII
~Ishkokum Mes Mosof She'res~
"Congratulations, you can link to TV Tropes. This does not mean you have special insight into the storytelling process, much less the author's mind. Stories don't need to fit into neat boxes, you know.

Planar Touchstone

Pale 08 Sep 2010 02:57

Requesting the use of this feat.

http://www.realmshelps.org/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Planar_Touchstone

Shadow Blade & Shadow Trickster

cpezza 08 Sep 2010 03:57

I was told/suggested to post this here.

I'd like to buy those 2 feats for my char, Kael. The first lets me add Dex to damage _only_ when using Shadowhand style weapons. The second gives me +2 dam for flanking, sneak attacks.

I know it says the ToB feats are not allowed. However, I would point out that neither of these breaks my char. (I currently do 1d6+3 dam, this brings me to 1d6+11. Compared to Kael's contemporaries in the fighting realm, I'm STILL sub par. I've also invested 10 levels so far into the whole 'shadowy' thing. (Only have Rogue as it was background choice/reason) All my stances are in Shadowhand style. 3/4 of my maneuvers are also in that style.

Thank you for the consideration.

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